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assembly meeting. next to her is president trump and she's giving the opening remarks now. >> the fact that so many are committed to seeing the united nations succeed is gratifying. it is a sign, not only that change is desperately needed, but that it will be achieved. you are the reason change is coming to the u.n. it is now my honor to introduce someone who is no stranger to change. donald trump has a businessman's eye for seeing potential. and he sees great potential, not just in this reform movement, but in the united nations itself. he shares your commitment to creating a more effective advocate for peace, security and human rights. we are deeply grateful he has taken the time to be with us today. ladies and gentlemen, president donald j. trump. >> well, thank you very much. thank you. i actually saw great potential
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right across the street, to be honest with you, and it was only for the reason that the united nations who was here that that turned out to be such a successful project. so i want to thank you, ambassador haley, for your introduction and for your steadfast advocacy for american interests on the world stage. on behalf of the co-host countries, i would like to also thank secretary general guterus, you have been fantastic, for joining us. and we affirm our commitment to the united nations reform and reform is what we're talking about. i applaud the secretary general for laying out a vision to reform the united nations so that it better serves the people we all represent. we support your efforts to look across the entire system and to find ways the united nations can better and be better at development, management, peace and security.
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the united nations was founded on truly noble goals. these include affirming the dignity and worth of the human person and striving for international peace. the united nations has helped advance toward these goals in so many ways, feeding the hungry, providing disaster relief and empowering women and girls in many societies all across the world. yet in recent years the united nations has not reached its full potential because a bureaucracy and mismanagement, while the united nations on a regular budget has increased by 140%. and its staff has more than doubled since 2000, we are not seeing the results in line with this investment. but i know that under the secretary general, that's changing, and it is changing fast. and we have seen it. that's why we commend the
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secretary general and his call for the united nations to focus more on people and less on bureaucracy. we seek a united nations that regains the trust of the people around the world in order to achieve this, the united nations must hold every level of management accountable, protect w w whistleblowers and focus on results rather than on process. to honor the people of our nations, we must ensure that no one and no member state shoulders a disproportionate share of the burden. and that's militarily or financially. we also ask that every peace-keeping mission have clearly defined goals and metrics for evaluating success. they deserve to see the value in the united nations, and it is our job to show it to them. we encourage the secretary general to fully use his
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authority to cut through the bureaucracy, reform outdated systems and make firm decisions to advance the u.n.'s core mission. further, we encourage all member states to look at ways to take bold stands at the united nations with an eye toward changing business as usual and not being beholden to ways of the past, which were not working. mr. secretary general, the united states and the member states present today, support this great reform vision. we pledge to be partners in your work. and i am confident if we work together and champion truly bold reforms, the united nations will emerge as a stronger more effective, more just and greater force for peace and harmony in the world. thank you, mr. secretary general, and i look forward to
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advancing the shared goals in the years to come. and it is a great honor to be with you today. thank you. [ applause ] >> you have been watching president trump speaking at a meeting of the united nations. his first remarks we have seen from him at the general assembly. i'm hallie jackson here in new york all week long. the president is set to deliver a lengthier remark tomorrow during what is kind of his keynote speech. his first address. but that was a little bit of an appetizer, you could say, with u.n. ambassador nikki haley there. no surprise from the president demanding more u.n. reform, criticizing some of the management of the u.n. with the united states still not committing to fully fund essentially its commitment to the united nations, at least not so far. there are four big things you got to know about this week. they talk about how to move
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forward on north korea. there's also the iraq nuclear deal sure to come up with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. you have climate change big. president trump meeting the french president with new push-back this morning from the white house about reports the president does not plan to pull out of the paris accord. and we know we're going to hear about the con city fusional crisis in event lay za. we have a team covering every angle starting with white house correspondent kristen welker not too far over from us from trump tower where the president departed to head to the united nations. we know the hot spots and the president will address this week, but fill us in on what is happening right now. again, no surprise that the president is pushing reform for the u.n. this is something he's wanted for a while. >> reporter: no surprise at all, hallie. this is a key priority for president trump. you heard him praise the noble goals of the u.n., but then criticize the fact that there has been mismanagement, that bureaucracy stood in the way of the goals of the u.n. and look, this criticism goes back to the 1990s, but
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particularly when he was a candidate, when he said that effectively there was a lot of talk and not a whole lot of action. take a listen to what he had to say during the campaign. >> when you see the united nations solving problems, they don't. they cause problems. so if it lives up to the potential, it's a great thing. if it doesn't, it's a waste of time and money. >> reporter: since taking office, hallie, he has shifted his tone. and we really heard that shift on display today. when he talked about the potential of the united nations, talked about the importance of what it is trying to achieve, but also called on all member nations to try to reform it, to cut through some of the bureaucratic red tape. he also said that no nation should bear an unfair burden. obviously, a reference to the united states. so that is the backdrop of this critical test for president trump, really his biggest test yet in front of the global
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audience. he is going to be stressing a number of key points. you really mapped out a number of them, hallie, north korea and iran, but expect a big focus on north korea, particularly after the u.n. just slapped a up in round of sanctions on north korea. that is something president trump has praised. so he's going to be calling on all member nations to come together to turn up the heat on north korea. stepping up his message, hallie, a re-tweet from over the weekend. he re-tweeted this video of himself teeing off on the golf course and then this is edited video, the golf ball hits hillary clinton who then trips. this is a tweet that's getting a lot of criticism, not exactly the tone that a number of white house officials were hoping to set heading into the u.n. so expect them to really try to turn the page on that today. >> kristen welker at trump tower. we'll be watching for your report later today on msnbc nightly news. the president started the remarks at the united nations talking about his building that is right next door.
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with us now is ambassador stewart haley, the former ambassador to the u.n. for special political affairs under president george wchl bush and our panel for the next few minutes, sarah westwood and newsweek national politics reporter nia burley. ambassador, i'll start with you, this is a moment for theth. he's on the world stage with a lot of foreign policy issues looming. you heard kristen mention north korea front row, what are you going to hear from president trump that they have not heard from nikki haley? >> first of all, it is remarkable the president is talking about the potential of the united nations. so this is a candidate who criticized the united nations and i think it is a reflection of nikki haley's influence and also the fact that they have confidence in the secretary general to be a real reformer. so now that they have set the stage on reform, they are going to use this as a bully pulpit to kind of rally around the north korean issue and to take iran, a swipe at iran. >> as we take a look at ambassador hailey and the united nations secretary general,
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there's an interesting tribal developing, haley, donald trump and tillerson. how will that play out over the next few days? >> and secretary haley has become -- >> ambassador haley. >> she's not secretary. >> that was a freudian slip, i think. but she's been negotiator for the administration. >> there's been an increasing rhetoric around north korea about time running out, the u.s. running out of patience. is that just talk? >> well, i think that is a big part of what leaders are looking to the trump administration to clarify here at the united nations. just last week when the new answer sanctions were passed, ambassador haley said they were the biggest passed and then
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donald trump says it is not a big deal. so there are conflicting messages about whether this is the preferred route of the united states. this in itself is the strategy, sanctions diplomatic channels, or if this is a lead-in for the military option. and that's the clarification trump needs to make here. >> as we laid out at the top of the show, there are plenty of issues to take the president's attention. the like, the idea of what he's going to do with the paris climate agreement. the president said he would pull out unless renegotiated. there's reporting that the white house pushed back on. and gary cohn was at a breakfast this morning reiterating that the united states is withdrawing from the paris climate deal unless they get more favorable terms. how do you see this playing out with some of the allies here at unga? >> well, it is a unique opportunity for the administration to show it has a global vision instead of the diplomacy versus tweet of the
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three, four, five or six different people speaking out. so it's a chance to show they have some vision. is that going to come forward? who is our spokesman? you know, tillerson has been so absent from the world stage as stuart just said, we call it a freudian slip, she is much more present and much more visible. and i think that it will be a chance for them to indicate whether it's government by generals. you know, is it milk master and mattis running the show or tillerson? and i think that's going to be the take-away here. >> pull back and look at the big picture. you have sat through these a time or two, what do you think the biggest difference, the most notable change really is going to be between how president trump interacts with the u.n. members of the general assembly here versus past administrations? >> well, i think it is not too different in the sense that republican administrations have tended to be more skeptical of the united nations, both from a fiscal standpoint and also because of our sovereignty
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issues as it relates to kind of the national sovereignty. and i think we'll hear about that tomorrow as well. but i do think ambassador haley is a cabinet member, that's a significant statement. and she has really, i think, established that the united nations is a form to be used and not abandoned. and that is a good thing. >> as we look here at president trump walking around shaking some hands, there's one analyst who sort of famously said recently that the united nations acceptable assembly is kind of like speed dating from hell. nicki haley said, this is not about grip and grins, he's going to slap the right people and hug the right people. how do you swear the america first message here with what he has to do over the first week? >> it is about american interests and i think what he's going to say is that america kind of stands for the sets of principles, that we need to rally the world behind those who oppose those principles, north korea, iran, dictatorships around the world. and i think he's going to use that as a bully pulpit.
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but behind the scenes he'll meet bilaterally with world leader, there are a ton of the meetings and that's where the real world gets done. but the speech will be covered around the world, the first u.n. general assembly speech. and i think it will be well crafted. >> it's already been written, we know that. >> and well delivered. >> it's going to happen in about 24 hours from now that you'll see on this program here tomorrow. so preview it, what do you think we're going to hear? what is the most important thing we should here? or as the political team pointed out, what might we not hear? oftentimes that is just as important. >> he'll be speaking to two audiences, one is a global audience and the other are the american people. and, of course, many of the supporters are highly skeptical of the united nations. so i think he'll take them to task and reiterate the issue of living up to the u.n. charter. >> but you heard him address a little bit or eluded to. >> he starts there and really goes after iran, specifically, because we have to recertify iran as part of this, you know, this compact on -- by doing that, he has to point out that
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while iran may be technically complying, they are not living up to the spirit of the agreement in terms of what is happening in the region. north korea, the u.n. was founded out of the sh as of the second world war. its principle objective is to prevent war. if we have seen a need for the nations to rally together, it is on the north korean issue. >> you are teeing us up nicely for what is coming up after the break, with you two, more of a look at north korea and what is going on. ambassador, thank you for joining us, we appreciate it. we'll be in touch over the next four days, critical here. believe it or not, we are talking about politics back in washington as well because repeal and replace, well, it is not dead yet. senators bill cassidy and lindsey graham are out with a last-ditch health care plan. the capitol hill team is with this after the break.
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so we are live from new york all week long because of the united nations general assembly. but there is still action happening back home in washington, specifically a little arm twisting action. that is because some senate republicans are making what could be a last-ditch move to repeal and replace obamacare. yes, we're talking repeal and replace as though it was the summer of 2017. garrett haake is on capitol hill talking about this being pushed by lindsey graham and bill cassidy. dissect the chances of this going through this time around? >> reporter: i think the best way to think about this is one repeal, 50 replacements. the graham/cassidy bill is the
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shorthand here. the goal to get the federal government out of the health care business. and the main thing to make the bill difference and the main thing to make it goes is the idea of taking away all the tax breaks, all the medicaid expansion money and they move it all off to the states. they block grant that money back to the states. then the states would be the ones who have to set up their own essential health care systems, the own obama care-style systems if they want. and they get rid of the employer mandate that the conservatives hate so much. and with these things going back to the states, the states can opt-out of essential coverage, benefits, they can change how coverage of pre-existing conditions can work. there are issues pretty sticky. but as you said, this bill is getting momentum now. in part because of a late push from the white house. here's kellyanne conway talking about it earlier today. >> the graham/cassidy bill is gaining in support in steam. many of the governors like it. i'm told we are close to 50 votes or so in the senate. we know that mr. menendez is
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otherwise indisposed up in new jersey, so that changes the mathematical calculus in the senate. >> reporter: hallie, senator graham is begging for support from the white house. every time in front of a camera, he's trying to get the president pick up the phone and whip up support for the bill. but the prospects will be touch. rand paul has come out and said he's a hard no. and this bill still has a lot of the same issues that turned off people like susan collins and lisa murkowski. and has the same process problems that upset john mccain on the last bill. if two of the three last ones are no, this bill goes nowhere. but the last best chance for republicans to get a repeal done. >> but time is ticking on this thing. they don't have long to drag this out. 10 or 12 or fewer working days left before there's a deadline, right? >> reporter: right, 12 real days, something like 6 working days left. by the end of the month, the reconciliation rules, the rules that let republicans try to get
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this done with 51 votes instead of 60, are set to expire. so the clock is ticking. but hallie, just the way these things are interrelated, the big deal we talked about last week that moved all the government defending debate into december has freed up a lot of time in the calendar. so all of a sudden the senate has a little bit of wiggle room in the few short days to do this. the next step is the cbo score that we'll probably see sometime early next week. >> six whole working days. garrett, thank you for the optimistic take, i appreciate it. nina and sarah, what do you make of the chances here? garrett said diplomatically you have the republicans, they have not solved the issues here, is senator graham to feel right to be optimistic? >> this bill still has some of the problems that tripped up the last repeal effort, mainly that it ends the medicaid expansion, cuts to the growth of the medicaid spending were some of the reasons the moderate republicans couldn't vote for the last one. so those are not solved by this
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bill but the con grengsal republic co congestiressional republicans a getting desperate. >> it's surprising when we know that the white house is coming out with its outlines and specifics for what it needs in the daca bill. when you have tax reform being a big push, yet graham/cassidy pushing the idea to try to finish off a up huge campaign promise for republicans. >> how many last-ditch efforts have been there? how many ditches are there? we have six days left but they may come up with another way to bring it back up. this is one of their core issues. and they can't do tax reform without taking money out of the health care program. and i think that this is one of the ways that they show their big donors, their big donors and their base they are trying. so even if it fails -- >> is it more for show than anything else? >> i'm a bit cynical, but many of the 40 or 50 attempts tooed this have been for show. it gins up the base and helps the donors who don't want
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socialist in america to come back. >> especially with the discussion on the single side, but there's still uncertainty in the obamacare insurance markets. and you have omar alexander and lamar murray trying to stabilize that. do you see that going anywhere? >> in the absence of repeal and replace of obamacare, something needs to be done from short circuiting. so you are going to see the push to keep the cost sharing reduction payments to go from the trump white house to not so much be on the outreach budget. so that needs to be done regardless of whether the graham/cassidy bill is successful. >> i want to talk about another headline out of the white house because garrett talked about how the white house is making the push for health care, getting behind it, you saw kellyanne conway out. we have seen john dow out at a steakhouse directly next to "the new york times" bureau. having an apparently loud discussion about what is happening inside the white house with some reporting now from ken vogel, peter baker of "the
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times," that people are essentially totally freaked out in the west wing. their suspicion and paranoia they are wired because of the russian investigation. cob and dow talking about the internal white house counsel and perhaps intentions there. this is the sort of simmering under current to all the policy discussion happening in d.c. >> it says a lot about the president's choice of lawyers. remember mark casowitz and his midnight e-mails that got him sent packing to journalists? now we have two guys talking loudly about internal issues in front of the reporter who was sitting next to them. so it just says a lot about there are too many lawyers, perhaps. >> i'm going to ask you two to hang out for a couple minutes longer because we have more coming up, not just on domestic policy but foreign policy, too. and looking overseas, another hurricane out in the atlantic threatening the already hard-hit caribbean. still struggling to recover from
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at the morning headlines. st. louis is getting ready for more protests today after 80 people were arrested last night when demonstrations turned violent. several businesses were damaged and one police officer was hurt. the protests started friday after a white police officer was acquit in the shooting of a black man in 2011. and our partners at itv news got this security cam video of what might be the suspect behind friday's subway bombing in london. you see that bag? it looks similar to the bag found with the explosive device in it. that thing looked like a bucket. and the video was reported just 90 minutes before the bombing. you can see it there. the footage was turned over to scotland yard and police are questioning two people held over the weekend. and this morning we're also watching, believe it or not, another hurricane. no joke. maria this time. this is a major storm system threatening islands in the caribbean that are already devastated by hurricane irma. bill karins is here with the latest forecast. to some people it is stunning we are talking about yet another hurricane aiming right toward
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puerto rico. >> it is another major hurricane it is on its way to become a major hurricane expected to be a cat 4. you can see the big red circle, that's the core of it where the worst damage will occur. and it is heading right into the islands. 110-mile-per-hour winds. if it gets any more intense, it becomes a major hurricane. and again, it's only 85 miles east of martinique and very fearful evening today. that will be hit the hardest as the eye could go right over it. here's the hurricane center's path. this was the 5:00 update. in less than 30 minutes we get the new update from them and they take the storm right over the top of puerto rico. 140-mile-per-hour winds. notice the cone of uncertainty does include the virgin islands and to the south there. so it's not guaranteed it's going to slam puerto rico, but we are only 36 hours away and it's going to be hard for them to miss this one. still have to deal with jose, too. this looks like a nor'easter and will act like one, too. winds are 185 miles per hour and weakening to the north. it has a large wind field so
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we'll get a lot of tropical storm gusts, minor power outages along new england. with the curving track, a lot of the heavy rain will miss the east coast and affect southern portions of massachusetts, rhode island and connecticut and long island. the type timing of that is late tuesday, rain showers, but it is not going to be until wednesday that we see anything that will be significant down here in areas of cape cod with the heavy rain. compared to marimaria, that coue the third catastrophe from a hurricane in the last five weeks. jose is just a nuisance. >> is it too early to tell from maria if it will affect those in southern florida who are still dealing with the cleanup? >> all the long-range computers keep it safely off the east coast, but that is seven to ten days off, so i'm not going to write it off yet. >> bill karins, thank you. coming up, we're keeping an eye on the new u.s. training drills over the peninsula today after the latest north korea missile test.
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korean peninsula. these are joint military exercises here. it comes just a few days after the latest missile test from north korea. i want to go now to nbc news hans pentagon holding it down. hans nickels, what did i just say, down at the pentagon? walk us through what is going on there with north korea. >> reporter: well, everyone here is stressing the importance of the alliance, hallie. and that picture shows u.s. fighters and bombers traveling with the south korean counterparts early in the morning on the japanese side as well. so whenever you have military action, you always have japan in, south korea in and the u.s. in. there on the south front is what you are seeing from the president's twitter feed. he spoke with the president of south korea, his south korean counterpart, referring to the dictator, the leader of north korea has rocket man, long gas lines former in north korea. too bad. i think, in general, when talking to officials here, they do want to give diplomacy one
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more chance. even from the statements we have heard from nikki haley and h.r. mcmaster, the line here is that dplo diplomacy has more time. that seems in conflict with what we heard from shinzo abe in "the new york times" this morning. let's take a look at that. considering this history and its continuing missile launches and nuclear tests, more dialogue with north korea would be a dead end. pyongyang would see more talks as proof that other countries succumb to the success of its missile launches and nuclear tests. now is the time to exert the utmost pressure on the north. hallie, it seems like president trump is in the goldilocks position. more dubbish is north korsouth . the time for talk is over, that's almost contradiction to what you hear from the trump administration who says you need
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to keep talking. >> hans nichols at the pentagon, thank you. i'm lucky to bring you andrea mitchell, host of "andrea mitchell reports" in 90 minutes here on msnbc. and sarah westwood. and "newsweek's" nina barrier is here as well. the president is meeting with the leaders of south korea and japan later in the week, but who is not here, china. >> bingo. china and russia. and what i think hans is eluding to there is that abe is being more aggressive in saying, we've got to exert the pressure in counterpoint to china. china wants negotiations, they want talks, they don't want sanctions. they are pushing back. and china and russia, of course, are cheating on the sanctions. they are the ones, and particularly china, russia to a lesser extent because they have less trade with north korea, but there's a lot of smuggling going on. so when we talk about nikki haley talking about how tough the sanctions are, not so much.
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there's a lot of black market resupply of north korea. they could not be doing all of this without getting energy from their neighbors. >> and i was in the white house last week in the briefing room and nikki haley was there and asked, are you disappointed that moscow and beijing aren't here? she said, everybody makes their own realistically, given their absence, what deliverables and what will be the concrete action, if any, that comes out that we'll talk about friday after unga is over? >> well, maybe the big picture will be how did, how did donald trump behave on the world stage? was he the guy tweeting about rocket man? or was he the man we saw today at the beginning of the u.n. reform session going against decades of criticism of the u.n. and saying, we've got to work together, we've got to reform, but we need this global organization. that was a different donald trump. >> andrea mentioned the rocket man tweet that i think everybody was humming elton john over the
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weekend, nina and sarah. how does a tweet like that have an impact on what the president is doing at the u.n., if any? >> in terms of diplomacy, this is a president who likes to operate in an unpredictable manner. his diplomacy is unp unpredictabili unpredictability. everything happening now with the japanese prime minister taking a more hawkish position than the president, the fire and fury president of the united states, that's all, i think, part of an effort to keep pyongyang in a position of not understanding what is going on and the unpredictability of this president. i think there may be some actual intelligent design behind all of it that maybe we're not seeing. i'm going to take that position for now. >> sarah? >> i think there's been some friction in the relationship between the trump administration and south korea because president trump has been at times a little bit reckless in
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the way he's talked about north korea, saying there's going to be fire and fury, saying that the sanctions are nothing compared to what. >> reporter: he said fire and fury and there were tehree test at least. >> exactly. and south korea is where the full force of north korea's retaliation would be felt. that's where hundreds of thousands of deaths would occur if military option were to be exercised by the united states. so naturally south korea is the one pumping the brakes urging president trump to be more cautious. >> we know, andrea, the president has just in the last couple of minutes returned back to the place where he's holding the bilateral meetings. he's got a couple today all week long. it is not just what is happening at the united nations but what is happening in midtown as well. what are you looking for over the next few days, most importantly to you? >> i want to see some more signals as to where he's moving on iran. he's meeting netanyahu today, that's all about iran. and october is the next big deadline as to whether or not he is going to carry out his threat to break out of the iran deal. there was some signaling last week he won't, but they will find some other way to
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demonstrate that iran is from their perspective violating, if not literal letters of the agreement but the spirit of the agreement by doing a lot of other bad things, including support for terrorism and missile advances, all of these thing are true. but the fact that iran was never constrained by the nuclear deal because the previous administration decided that it should be a narrowly determined nuclear deal. this is also a connection there. north korea. kim jong-un, according to a lot of reporting, and it is a very hard intelligence target, is not just crazy. that there is a logic to what he and other totalitarian leaders have done to try to become nuclear powers. he sees gadhafi and saddam hussein who did initially try to build a nuclear force, not as we learned to our dismay, not when we claimed he was, but saddam hussein gives up nuclear weapons after the first, or his nuclear
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program, i should say, after the first gulf war. gadhafi turns over his centrifuges in tennessee and saying, why should i obey a deal if the nuclear deal with iran is going to be blown up? why should i negotiate anything with the united states? >> it is going to play out over the next four days in a very public way. andrea mitchell, we'll be watching for you later on your show and then on msnbc's nightly news as well. thank you for coming on in a tough time. nina and sarah, nice to see the you onset. we are looking at an issue across college campuses across the country, hazing in america. this is our in-depth look into what is going on, what parents and up students have to know as the school year starts. don't miss this coming up next.
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like this making headlines. my colleague kate snow has more on that story, plus some new poll numbers showing how americans think this issue should be confronted. 18-year-old max gruver was a big sports fan writing for local papers and blogs. but last thursday just 24 days into his freshman year at lsu the fphi delta pledge was rushe from the fraternity house to the hospital. >> he wanted to be in the fraternity. and it was something he was adamant about. >> reporter: but his life ended in the hospital, a case the police are investigating as a hazing incident. gruver had a lily elevated blood alcohol level bplus thc in his blood. his roommate is talking about him. >> don't let him be the guy that passed away at a frat party.
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>> reporter: this is triggering a nationwide response. last february it was tim piazza, a fraternity pledge at penn state who died after a drinking ritual called "the gauntlet." >> we have friend who is unconscious. >> his distraught parents talking to matt. >> they basically treated our son as road kill and a rag doll. >> reporter: for too many students, hazing is a rite of passage. >> young people want to prove themselves. they want to gain and earn the respect from people already in the group. >> reporter: when fraternities are removed from the campus for hazing, sometimes they form secret clubs and take it underground. just three weeks ago, the american university expelled 18 students from the underground fraternity. >> i think the campus reaction, everyone is relieved. >> reporter: the new nbc monkey poll finds a growing sense that enough is enough. 86% say hazing is unacceptable because it can lead to dangerous
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behavior and injuries. 75% say something needs to be done versus 22% who call it a part of college life. >> it was good to see that a lot of people with knowledge of what hazing was and identified it as a dangerous practice. the tolerance for some of the back tib practices is decreasing. >> hazing is dangerous, irresponsible and unacceptable. and it will not be tolerated at lsu, period. >> reporter: at penn state they have taken on disciplining sororities and fraternities after finding it is tough to police them. 44 states in washington, d.c. now have anti-hazing laws and a bill introduced in june on capitol hill would require colleges to report hazing incidents, a first step, experts say it would be unrealistic to get rid of initiations but to
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teach them safer ways. >> how do you bring students to be a part of the solutions? how do you create alternative options for the initiation rights healthy and positive? otherwise the risk is that if it is just prohibited it will go underground. and when they go underground they get more dangerous. thank you both for being with us on this critical topic. 75% of people -- why hasn't it been taken care of? >> timing. you have to get it on a vehicle. in education, we have to talk to our colleagues and get them to understand that we've got something that is not controversial that can have an effect, so it takes a little bit of time to get under the vehicle that in a vehicle that will pas. >> what is the pushback?
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seems like it might be a no-brainer. >> i don't know that there is pushback. people don't understand what the bill is and what it does. i think it is our responsibility to educate them so we can get them on the bill as quickly as possible. >> essentially reporting mechanism. >> absolutely. >> our team here for our show couldn't find a single government agency that tracks hazing deaths or hazing incidents. why is that not happening? why are we just having this broader conversation about this? >> because i think that people thought it was so common place. students think it is common place. most think it is okay. most don't realize they've been hazed. we educate students on what it means to be hazed and what hazing really is. i think it is important. >> we were also talking about the incidents that have gone so high profile now. the deaths of some of the students. not just what happened at lsu, but i think about the death in penn state last february, timothy bpiazza. a lot of it, alleged inaction by other people. it's not just the act of hazing itself.
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it is everybody else sort of watching it happen. how do you change that behavior? >> you're responsible for your actions. identifying under the law, if you're putting somebody in a situation in which there is a likelihood of serious injury, that you have -- you're participating in it. you have a responsibility to assure as part of that, you know, ritual, that somebody isn't put in a position of harm. >> even if you're not actively participating. it seems that is the issue. >> we should be on the front end, preventing these rituals. people know what they're comprised of. an intelligent discussion says, maybe we shouldn't have binge drinking as part of the ritual. >> they may not have been active participants but they were participants in the event that hauzed t e caused the harm. we defined what hazing is. when you put someone in a position where they can be physically harmed, humiliated or degraded, it is hazing. and everyone around it, everyone a part of it is responsible.
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>> do people, do college kids in particular, get that? when you look at the polling here, 55% of former members of fraternities and sororities were asked, have you experienced hazing? 55% said yes, more than half, a significant number. 42% said no. it is not just frats, right, it is athletic teams, other campus groups where this happens, too. how do you work to build awareness around this? is it moments like this? >> part of the education proc s process, because this bill not only requires reporting by the colleges but it also requires education of the students. what is hazing? what is appropriate activity versus not ahead of time, so people know not only if they experience it, what it is, but also where they can report it. >> okay. thank you very much, both of you, for being with us. for being on the "today" show plaza this morning, talking about this critical issue. we'll have you back once the bill starts to get going bax ec in d.c. we'll be back with today's big picture.
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country in the last month. the conditions are appalling. no proper shelter. not much clean drinking water nor sanitation. it is a serious issue. it is going to be coming up this week at the united nations meetings in new york. we'll be following it daily. that does it for us on this big picture. i'll be online, facebook, instagram, snapchat. right now, i'll turn it over to stephanie rhule again. it is like a ping-pong here, steph, in person. >> i'm back. good morning. i'm stephanie rhule. my colleague, ali velshi, is out this morning. let's get you started. >> the president waking up at his trump tower home this morning, kicking off an important week for president trump. his debut at the u.n., where the world will be watching. >> recent years, the united nations has not reached its full potential because of bureaucracy and mismanagement. that's why we commend the secretary general and his

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